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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article is the a perfect example of what was wrong with Peter Pan: it normalizes and even promotes the use of the word &quot;Indian.&quot; This misnomer is extremely offensive to the Native community. It&#039;s basically saying &quot;all brown people look the same to me&quot; via Colombus&#039;s false conclusion that North America was India. Does this look like India to you?
While politically correct when the book was written and the film made, it is now similar to the word &quot;negro,&quot; which was also &quot;correct&quot; then. And the lost boys run around chanting &quot;injuns,&quot; which is equivalent to the n word. That&#039;s a word that&#039;ll get your kids suspended from school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is the a perfect example of what was wrong with Peter Pan: it normalizes and even promotes the use of the word &#8220;Indian.&#8221; This misnomer is extremely offensive to the Native community. It&#8217;s basically saying &#8220;all brown people look the same to me&#8221; via Colombus&#8217;s false conclusion that North America was India. Does this look like India to you?<br />
While politically correct when the book was written and the film made, it is now similar to the word &#8220;negro,&#8221; which was also &#8220;correct&#8221; then. And the lost boys run around chanting &#8220;injuns,&#8221; which is equivalent to the n word. That&#8217;s a word that&#8217;ll get your kids suspended from school.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathdad</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not know your festival, or your plays.  My 3 year old wants to be &quot;an Indian like tiger lily&quot; so she can carve circles on rocks (make petroglypys, we live near desert tribes).  It is nice to have more thorough information about the character and person of Tiger Lily before I let my daughter immitate her.  I for one despise the hypersexualization of our culture and do not want that low estate for her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know your festival, or your plays.  My 3 year old wants to be &#8220;an Indian like tiger lily&#8221; so she can carve circles on rocks (make petroglypys, we live near desert tribes).  It is nice to have more thorough information about the character and person of Tiger Lily before I let my daughter immitate her.  I for one despise the hypersexualization of our culture and do not want that low estate for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Stratfordfest</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank your for making the correction.  I don&#039;t think you need to change your opinion.  It&#039;s been a good conversation and after all isn&#039;t that what theatre is all about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank your for making the correction.  I don&#8217;t think you need to change your opinion.  It&#8217;s been a good conversation and after all isn&#8217;t that what theatre is all about?</p>
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		<title>By: emsworth</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaron:
I must admit that I missed seeing that Lily the maid jumped into the story as an Amazon -- I must have been looking at something else on the stage.  So I&#039;ve edited my post accordingly and am grateful to you for the correction.  But I stick to my thesis: this was still a bad idea.  I really do appreciate your comments.
Emsworth]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron:<br />
I must admit that I missed seeing that Lily the maid jumped into the story as an Amazon &#8212; I must have been looking at something else on the stage.  So I&#8217;ve edited my post accordingly and am grateful to you for the correction.  But I stick to my thesis: this was still a bad idea.  I really do appreciate your comments.<br />
Emsworth</p>
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		<title>By: stratfordfest</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 18:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are correct in that the Lily listed is one that serves Barrie.  But she then enters the story and the Amazons place her feather duster in her hair to become Tiger Lily, and if you look at Tiger Lily&#039;s costume closely you can still see the feather duster on top of her head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct in that the Lily listed is one that serves Barrie.  But she then enters the story and the Amazons place her feather duster in her hair to become Tiger Lily, and if you look at Tiger Lily&#8217;s costume closely you can still see the feather duster on top of her head.</p>
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		<title>By: emsworth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 17:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaron:
I don&#039;t think the &quot;Lily&quot; listed in the program is one of the Amazons.  I think she&#039;s just the narrator&#039;s (James Barrie&#039;s) maid, who serves him tea while he&#039;s writing &lt;em&gt;Peter Pan&lt;/em&gt; and later sits in his chair reading the manuscript.  She doesn&#039;t have any lines that I can recall.
Emsworth]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron:<br />
I don&#8217;t think the &#8220;Lily&#8221; listed in the program is one of the Amazons.  I think she&#8217;s just the narrator&#8217;s (James Barrie&#8217;s) maid, who serves him tea while he&#8217;s writing <em>Peter Pan</em> and later sits in his chair reading the manuscript.  She doesn&#8217;t have any lines that I can recall.<br />
Emsworth</p>
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		<title>By: stratfordfest</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 16:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The comment about the Amazons being a strong role model for the girls actually came out a comment made in the original post:
&quot;A prototypical feminist, Tiger Lily is in control of her own sexuality. From Peter Pan, Act II: 

    She is the belle of the Piccaninny tribe, whose braves would all have her to wife, but she wards them off with a hatchet.&quot;

And to show that he felt Amazons resonated with the audiences of today.
As for role reversal it happens regularly in theatre, males are changed to female or the other way around.  The idea was not to remove all Indians but look at a different tribe of aboriginal people.  And I think it should also be said that changing a group like that makes a new play, rather like any show put on stage it creates a new interpretation, a different angle.  
As for Tiger Lily not listed in the program, she&#039;s not listed as such.  You will though find &quot;Lily&quot; in the program, with or without Tiger it&#039;s still the same character.
I can appreciate the points that have been made and glad it has sparked this conversation...which is the ultimate goal of theatre.
Aaron Kropf
Social and Online Media Coordinator
Stratford Shakespeare Festival]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment about the Amazons being a strong role model for the girls actually came out a comment made in the original post:<br />
&#8220;A prototypical feminist, Tiger Lily is in control of her own sexuality. From Peter Pan, Act II: </p>
<p>    She is the belle of the Piccaninny tribe, whose braves would all have her to wife, but she wards them off with a hatchet.&#8221;</p>
<p>And to show that he felt Amazons resonated with the audiences of today.<br />
As for role reversal it happens regularly in theatre, males are changed to female or the other way around.  The idea was not to remove all Indians but look at a different tribe of aboriginal people.  And I think it should also be said that changing a group like that makes a new play, rather like any show put on stage it creates a new interpretation, a different angle.<br />
As for Tiger Lily not listed in the program, she&#8217;s not listed as such.  You will though find &#8220;Lily&#8221; in the program, with or without Tiger it&#8217;s still the same character.<br />
I can appreciate the points that have been made and glad it has sparked this conversation&#8230;which is the ultimate goal of theatre.<br />
Aaron Kropf<br />
Social and Online Media Coordinator<br />
Stratford Shakespeare Festival</p>
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		<title>By: emsworth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 17:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes -- Smokin&#039; Joe&#039;s!  That&#039;s near the prominent signs near Lewiston announcing that you&#039;re entering the &quot;Tuscarora Indian Nation.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8212; Smokin&#8217; Joe&#8217;s!  That&#8217;s near the prominent signs near Lewiston announcing that you&#8217;re entering the &#8220;Tuscarora Indian Nation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 16:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember that Peter Pan did refer to the Amazon lady as Tiger Lily when he having a perplexing discussion with Wendy about Tiger Lily&#039;s &quot;infatuation&quot; with him. And Hook referred to her as Tiger Lily, as well.   

Having started to read the book to my son before we left to see the play, I had to explain to him that there would be no &quot;Indians&quot; in the performance.  It confused him!  I tried to take the opportunity to tell him that Native Americans no longer wish to be referred to as Indians.  He became more confused when we got gas from the Smokin&#039; Joe&#039;s Indian Gas Station.  

Still, overall we really enjoyed the performance, with or without Indians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that Peter Pan did refer to the Amazon lady as Tiger Lily when he having a perplexing discussion with Wendy about Tiger Lily&#8217;s &#8220;infatuation&#8221; with him. And Hook referred to her as Tiger Lily, as well.   </p>
<p>Having started to read the book to my son before we left to see the play, I had to explain to him that there would be no &#8220;Indians&#8221; in the performance.  It confused him!  I tried to take the opportunity to tell him that Native Americans no longer wish to be referred to as Indians.  He became more confused when we got gas from the Smokin&#8217; Joe&#8217;s Indian Gas Station.  </p>
<p>Still, overall we really enjoyed the performance, with or without Indians.</p>
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		<title>By: emsworth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 15:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaron:

In the Stratford show, do the other characters really refer to the Amazon on Marooning Rock as “Tiger Lily”?  I just don’t remember hearing that.  Of course I might have missed it.  But even if the Amazon is called “Tiger Lily,” she can’t possibly be regarded as the same character that J. M. Barrie created in his play.  That character was an Indian princess; she is gone, and there’s no reason to pretend she isn’t.

What I do know is that no “Tiger Lily” character is listed in the program.  There are only several nameless “Amazons”.  

If Mr. Carroll claims that he put “Amazons” in Peter Pan because he thought they were something children tend to dream about – well, that’s hard to buy.  You and I and Mr. Carroll know very well that kids don’t dream about Amazons.  They don’t even know who they are. 

And what business was it of Mr. Carroll’s to decide that Neverland needed more women – or to decide that Peter Pan needs to teach young girls that they too can be strong?  It’s not Mr. Carroll’s play, and girl power wasn’t one of Mr. Barrie’s themes.  

If Mr. Carroll wanted to write a new stage play of his own, roughly based on the story of Peter Pan (like the movie Hook), that would be a different matter, and he could do as he wanted.  He could change the story, add or delete major characters, add new themes, and ignore the old ones.  But Mr. Carroll was hired to direct J. M. Barrie’s play, and in Mr. Barrie’s play Neverland has no adult women except Tiger Lily.  

Mr. Eriksson has already beaten me to my point, which is that Mr. Barrie intentionally created Neverland without adult women, and that arbitrarily putting in a group of them throws the play out of whack.  (At the Shaw Festival this summer they’re doing Clare Booth’s The Women, which has no &lt;em&gt;male&lt;/em&gt; characters by the playwright’s deliberate design.  When we see it in a few weeks, there’d better not be any!)  

Mr. Carroll has too much experience in the theater not to notice the architecture and the rules of the plays he’s directing.  &lt;em&gt;Peter Pan&lt;/em&gt; is designed with groups of threes.  At the Darling home, there are (a) three children and (b) three competing centers of power (Mr. Darling, Mrs. Darling, and the children).  And there is no sex in the Darling household.  In the first act babies simply arrive; in the final act Mr. Darling sleeps in the doghouse. 

In Neverland there are also three powers, led by Pan, Hook, and Tiger Lily.  And there are three female characters on Neverland, whose characteristics foreclose anything like erotic attraction: Wendy is prepubescent, Tinkerbelle is not human, and Tiger Lily is sexually impregnable.  Mr. Eriksson is entirely right: injecting a group of sexually provocative adult women (Amazons) to complement the group of adult men (pirates) is extremely problematical.  It distorts and undermines the real themes of J. M. Barrie’s play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron:</p>
<p>In the Stratford show, do the other characters really refer to the Amazon on Marooning Rock as “Tiger Lily”?  I just don’t remember hearing that.  Of course I might have missed it.  But even if the Amazon is called “Tiger Lily,” she can’t possibly be regarded as the same character that J. M. Barrie created in his play.  That character was an Indian princess; she is gone, and there’s no reason to pretend she isn’t.</p>
<p>What I do know is that no “Tiger Lily” character is listed in the program.  There are only several nameless “Amazons”.  </p>
<p>If Mr. Carroll claims that he put “Amazons” in Peter Pan because he thought they were something children tend to dream about – well, that’s hard to buy.  You and I and Mr. Carroll know very well that kids don’t dream about Amazons.  They don’t even know who they are. </p>
<p>And what business was it of Mr. Carroll’s to decide that Neverland needed more women – or to decide that Peter Pan needs to teach young girls that they too can be strong?  It’s not Mr. Carroll’s play, and girl power wasn’t one of Mr. Barrie’s themes.  </p>
<p>If Mr. Carroll wanted to write a new stage play of his own, roughly based on the story of Peter Pan (like the movie Hook), that would be a different matter, and he could do as he wanted.  He could change the story, add or delete major characters, add new themes, and ignore the old ones.  But Mr. Carroll was hired to direct J. M. Barrie’s play, and in Mr. Barrie’s play Neverland has no adult women except Tiger Lily.  </p>
<p>Mr. Eriksson has already beaten me to my point, which is that Mr. Barrie intentionally created Neverland without adult women, and that arbitrarily putting in a group of them throws the play out of whack.  (At the Shaw Festival this summer they’re doing Clare Booth’s The Women, which has no <em>male</em> characters by the playwright’s deliberate design.  When we see it in a few weeks, there’d better not be any!)  </p>
<p>Mr. Carroll has too much experience in the theater not to notice the architecture and the rules of the plays he’s directing.  <em>Peter Pan</em> is designed with groups of threes.  At the Darling home, there are (a) three children and (b) three competing centers of power (Mr. Darling, Mrs. Darling, and the children).  And there is no sex in the Darling household.  In the first act babies simply arrive; in the final act Mr. Darling sleeps in the doghouse. </p>
<p>In Neverland there are also three powers, led by Pan, Hook, and Tiger Lily.  And there are three female characters on Neverland, whose characteristics foreclose anything like erotic attraction: Wendy is prepubescent, Tinkerbelle is not human, and Tiger Lily is sexually impregnable.  Mr. Eriksson is entirely right: injecting a group of sexually provocative adult women (Amazons) to complement the group of adult men (pirates) is extremely problematical.  It distorts and undermines the real themes of J. M. Barrie’s play.</p>
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